The shamanic shadow in the new testament.

In “The shamanic shadow in the old testament“, I did a lightweight survey of shamanic myths and practices throughout the Pentateuch, poetry and prophets, moving in a more or less linear way through time.

I now want to continue to examine the rest of the canonical bible. This time however, I’d like to start at the “end” and move towards the “centre”, ending up at the crux of the matter – Jesus Christ.

John of the Revelation
Lakota trinity from mattstone.blogs.com
The Revelation was written by John (not necessarily the same John as author of the Gospel or disciple of Jesus) while in a state of exile on the isle of Patmos. It is possibly the most controversial book of the 66 and its inclusion in the canon was not unanimous.

Revelation has been open to misinterpretations by readers (with an underdeveloped sense of the metaphorical) confused by the relationship between the literal and metaphor. This includes looking for inappropriate meanings in its rich set of symbols and reading chronological events into its structure.

Aside from fitting Revelations into one or another agenda, one of the reasons for this wildly varied speculation is no doubt as a result of ignorance of its literary genre, known as Apocalyptic. (Daniel is another example of this). One feature of Apocalyptic literature is an abundance of highly symbolic imagery.

In 1:10, John situates himself “in the spirit”. He writes from this state throughout, where the non-ordinary and the symbolic takes centre stage. However, he still references an historical audience – the seven churches, for example.

I will not go into detail here, suffice to say that Revelations hold a huge variety of highly imaginal, often bizarre, and frankly psychedelic references – angels, scrolls, lampstands, seals, trumpets, censors, precious stones, that this alone places it in the realm of the shamanic.

Particular references to the “Abyss” are significantly similar to the underworld. The dragon, the beast and Babylon, the mother of abomination deal with archetypes of evil. And the New Jerusalem is explored – a City where all things are mad new, a sort of destination for souls, in unveiled in vivid detail.

Rev 22:13 states, “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.” This famous line is one of the most cosmically charged in all scripture. The image of the beginning and the end sees Christ as being involved across time, place and culture. Such universal concepts are a hallmark of the shamanic.

Paul the apostle
Paul in prisonThe second most significant personality in the new testament is Paul. Often misunderstood, Paul was the first writer to attempt to theologise the gospel accounts and relate the life of Christ to what came before. Of course Paul was an apostle, not a theologian, and as such his life was about more about adventures in faith than simple discourse over words. But being a “Jew of the Jews” he had a very deep grasp of the overarching narrative of YHWH.

It is vital to understand that Paul’s context was a) Hellenic and b) urban, which means that the primal elements associated with the shamanic were already being sidelined by Greek cerebral abstractions on the one hand and a burgeoning emphasis on cities and its attendant remove from nature.

For three days he was blind, and did not eat or drink anything. (Acts 9:9)

However, his epiphany, subsequent “initiationary” blindness and many instances visions, and trance states as well as numerous miraculous workings can be read as features of shamanism, where a divine inbreaking radically alters the course of life. In this enigmatic text Paul sees a vision of a “third heaven”:

I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows—was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell. (2 Cor 12:2-4)

As is very typical of the wounded healer, Paul received a mysterious and much debated debilitation:

To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. (2 Cor 12:7)

Altered states and the ecstatic are generally viewed by the rationalist, controlling, civilised world and its theology as dangerous and contrary to scripture. However even in Paul there are 2 instances in Acts where he falls into a trance:

When I returned to Jerusalem and was praying at the temple, I fell into a trance… (Acts 22:17)

He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. (Acts 10:10)

There is not much more information as to whether these trances were induced or not, or what other factors might have been involved. What we can see is that the inbreaking of the paranormal was not uncommon, even in Paul, on whom we model much of christian ministerial practice.

Peter
Peter, with whom we generally associate closeness with Jesus and subsequent pragmatic letters detailing the ethics of the Kingdom of G-d, also experienced a revelation of the cosmic scope of YHWH’s narrative, in which he is symbolically shown that G-ds dealings are no longer with the Jews alone via the fact that all food could now be eaten:

I was in the city of Joppa praying, and in a trance I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. (Acts 11:5)

John the Baptist
The wild and mysterious John the Baptist carries on the tradition of the prophets, “…preaching in the Desert of Judea and saying, ‘Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near.’ … John’s clothes were made of camel’s hair, and he had a leather belt around his waist. His food was locusts and wild honey.” (Mat 3:1)

John baptises Jesus in a very public, sentient ritual of initiatory cleansing. A confirming sign of his connection to divinity, in the form a dove, ensues. It is here that his servant mission becomes established; where he first hints that he is key in the healing and salvation of not only his own people the Jews but the world.

Jesus
Yellow Crucifixion (1943). Marc Chagall (1887-1985). The teachings and person of Jesus have been through so many twists and turns that is only with a lot of work one can begin to see him for who he is, rather than through the eyes of religion, and 2 millennia of cultural, political and theological agendas and bias. I would like to view aspects of the Life of Christ, in the light of features of the shamanic.

Initiatory experiences
As I have shown, the shaman does not come to his or her power without an initial rite of passage, delineating his move into the non-ordinary world, or rather into the ability to navigate between the seen and the unseen. It marks the novice as being entrusted with the souls of a community.

At once the Spirit sent him out into the desert, and he was in the desert forty days, being tempted by Satan. He was with the wild animals, and angels attended him. (Mk 1:12)

He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry. (Luke 4:2)

Jesus had a very clear initiation where he emptied himself through fasting and prayer. Immediately thereafter he came face to face with his own limitations, his fears, and evil itself. He undergoes three very specific tests, obedience as more important than physical survival, the abuse of the miraculous outside of context of faith, and the temptation of power.

It is important to note his connection with angels, animals and the wilderness.

Authority

The people were amazed at his teaching, because he taught them as one who had authority, not as the teachers of the law. (Mark 1:22)

The Jews were amazed and asked, “How did this man get such learning without having studied?” (John 7:15)

One of the things that make the shaman stand apart from other forms of religious or spiritual practitioners is their personal, direct relationship with the realm of the spirit. This confidence in the face of numinous and potentially dangerous forces mean that the shaman must have a personal authority, rather than that bestowed upon him by an organisation, or even tradition. It is true, however that the shaman needs to be recognised by a community, and much of their power rests in this recognition.

Command over and relationship to nature

Having said this, he spit on the ground, made some mud with the saliva, and put it on the man’s eyes. (John 9:6)

He got up, rebuked the wind and said to the waves, “Quiet! Be still!” Then the wind died down and it was completely calm. (Mark 4:39)

About the fourth watch of the night he went out to them, walking on the lake. (Mark 6:48)

I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. (Luke 10:19)

Although at harmony with nature, Jesus could also manipulate it. He defies physical laws, healing blind, stopping the storm, not sinking on water and remaining unharmed by venomous creatures.

Transcending limits of matter
aboriginal christ ascending from mattstone.blogs.comOne of the most spectacular aspects of the narrative is the transfiguration of Jesus. Here, he changed from his ordinary state, becoming awash with light. However this was significant not only as a demonstration of the transcendence of the natural laws of physics, but also as a ritual in which was enacted the “fulfilment of the law and the prophets”, represented by Moses and Elijah respectively. And equally significantly, a voice identifies his ancestry as being Divine:

After six days Jesus took Peter, James and John with him and led them up a high mountain, where they were all alone. There he was transfigured before them. His clothes became dazzling white, whiter than anyone in the world could bleach them. And there appeared before them Elijah and Moses, who were talking with Jesus. (Mark 9:2)

While he was speaking, a cloud appeared and enveloped them, and they were afraid as they entered the cloud. A voice came from the cloud, saying, “This is my Son, whom I have chosen; listen to him.” When the voice had spoken, they found that Jesus was alone. (Luke 9:34)

And after his resurrection, he demonstrates his corporeal nature to his followers, before being taken away from the material world:

“Why are you troubled, and why do doubts rise in your minds? Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” … While he was blessing them, he left them and was taken up into heaven. (Luke 24:38, 51)

Significant relationship to death and the dead
In addition to numerous healings of the sick, Jesus was not daunted by the final enemy. Not only did he overcome his own fear of death (“Man shall not live by bread alone…”), he raised the dead and dealt undaunted in the shadowy realms of Sheol. Furthermore he passed on his power to his disciples. And not physical death alone, but he gave life in its broadest expression.

It is not insignificant then, that when he himself died on the cross, an apocalyptic event occurred:

At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people. (Mt 27:51)

Power over evil spirits
Jesus begins both to teach and to demonstrate the power of G-d, through deliverance from malevolent spirits and the healing of physical illnesses.

When evening came, many who were demon-possessed were brought to him, and he drove out the spirits with a word and healed all the sick. This was to fulfil what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah: “He took up our infirmities and carried our diseases.” (Mat 8:16)

Seer and Guide
Jesus boldly spoke of the future, not as a purveyor of spectacular predictions or visions, but as an oracle who recognised reality for what it was.

You will hear of wars and rumours of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed … Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of birth pains. (Mt 24:4-8)

But further than simply declaring fate, he was a comforter, drawing people to the Divine and to a life beyond this one. His words are those of a guide, giving courage to all who must of necessity make the journey from this life to the next.

Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me … I am going [there] to prepare a place for you … I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. (John 14:1)

Wounded Healer
Crucifixion from mattstone.blogs.com (Nigeria)One of the greatest shamanic hallmarks, that of the “wounded healer”, is very similar to a central myth of Jesus. Unlike the modern doctor, who plays a godlike role of power and knowledge, Jesus was acquainted with weakness and suffering, and ministered healing from that place.

Henri Nowen, in his classic book on healing, said, “… the wound, which causes us to suffer now, will be revealed to us later as the place where God intimated his new creation.” (The wounded healer, p 96) He points out the power of empathy, wherein the healer demonstrates “a constant willingness to see one’s own pain and suffering as rising from the depth of the human condition which all men share.” (p 88)
 
In Gethsemane, as he contemplates his task of sacrifice, Jesus says “My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death” (Mark 14:34), And in his teachings, he is at pains to point out that anyone who wants to know Divine life must accept that they will have to loose their human ego-life to do so: “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it.” (Luke 9:24)

The aftermath

When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. (Acts 2:1)

The narrative does not stop with Jesus. He leaves, as we have seen, a living legacy of power for his followers. The arrival of Pentecost heralded a time when this power was made available to all. The book of acts is filled with references to miraculous activity, much of which has already been shown to have shamanic elements.

Conclusion
The new testament is the story of G-d incarnating into the hyper-literate Judaic tradition, whose centrepiece was the meticulously maintained written law. The struggles of Jesus are to affirm truth, the truth of Spirit, through a predominantly spoken, active approach. His greatest opposition comes from those who hold the literal – the written, unambiguous, view – Scribes, and other experts in the scriptures.

Jesus writes in the sand, from mattstone.blogs.comHowever, his own message was poetic, using metaphor, parable and other devices which appeal to imagination rather than intellect or will. About the only reference to his writing anything down is when he draws unintelligibly in the sand with his finger.

Jesus operated, it would seem, in a typically oral as opposed to literate way, despite his mastery of the law and the writings of the prophets. His frame of reference is more Sophia, the eternal spirit of wisdom, than the torah. It is this oral tradition in which the shamanic is essentially evident.

My view then, is the Jesus, as well as Paul and others, were firmly continuing in an oral, shamanic tradition. But because the context for this included the law, a developed priestly system, and a highly charged political milieu with Rome as occupying power, that we easily loose sight of this fact.

Through the lens of 2000 years of religious evolution, we persist in interpreting this story in literate terms. In the modern west we constantly emphasise the written over the oral, the legal over the poetic, the literal over the imaginative, the material over the mystical and the urban over creation. No wonder the shamanic has all but disappeared from what is commonly thought of as the “gospel”.

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18 thoughts on “The shamanic shadow in the new testament.

  1. Thirteen reasons why Jesus, if he were here today, would be considered a Witch, Pagan or a Shaman.
    By Carl McColman,.blogsite: http://anamchara.com (The website of the unknowing)
    No single one of these reasons prove the Shamanistic, Paganess or Wiccaness of Jesus, but taken as a whole, they make for a compelling case.

    1. Jesus criticized the hypocrisy and legalism of the religious status quo, and chose to embrace an alternative spiritual path. Matthew 23:1-36.
    In Jesus’ day, the religious establishment included the Pharisees and Sadducees, dominant factions in the first century, Judaism. Jesus’ alternative path followed the radical teachings of his mentor, John the Baptist. Nowadays, in Europe and the Americas the status quo is mainly Christianity; the path of the Goddess – Wicca, paganism, shamanic and New Age … is one of the most compelling of available spiritual alternatives. Many people who embrace the New Age Wicca or Shamanism, Paganism have the exact same criticisms of Christianity that Jesus is said to have had about the religious establishment in his day. Hypocrisy, legalism, blind obedience of the rules to the point of ignoring spiritual values like love, trust and freedom – these are the problems Jesus attacked in the official religion in his day, and that many New Age or Alternative followings today see in the religious status quo of our time. Perhaps if Jesus, were here today, he would join alternative New Age, Wiccan followings in criticizing the mainstream religion and open the new way.

    2. Jesus was a psychic healer, Luke 6:1-12.
    Luke comments that “all in the crowd were trying to touch him, for power came out from him and healed all of them.” And John recounts how Jesus made a magic healing paste by mixing his saliva with soil from our Mother, the Earth. For Jesus, healing was a central part of his spiritual identity. Shamans and Witches, likewise, rely on herbal wisdom, natural foods, and psychic practices like reiki and energy to bring healing and comfort to themselves and their loved ones. Sadly, the Christian religion rarely encourages its followers to take responsibility for their own healing, but rather colludes with a medical establishment that keeps people passive in regard to their own wellness. Jesus the healer has much more in common with Shaman and Wiccan witch healers than with church-going “patients”.

    3. Jesus acknowledged the divinity within each person. John 10:34-36.
    All he was doing was quoting the Psalms, but Jesus emphasized it: “You are gods.” Throughout the Bible, Jesus uses mystical language to illustrate the essential unity between humanity and divinity. How sad that the church founded in his name lost that sense of human divinity, and has instead stressed the “fallenness” and “separation” that keeps humanity alienated from the divine. Incidentally, this is an indirect affirmation of Goddess spirituality, as well… for if we are as gods, as Jesus quoting the scripture insists, then both men and women partake of the godly nature; implying therefore that God encompasses both the masculine and feminine dimensions of life. So the “God” whom Jesus worships incorporates both the God and the Goddess as revered by Pagans, Shamans, Witches and Wiccans.

    4. Jesus lived close to nature. Matthew 8:20; Mark 1:12-13, 3:13; Luke 4:42, John 18:1.
    Jesus took a vision quest in the wilderness; he loved to pray in the mountains, slept in gardens and made a point of telling his followers that he had no house to live in. Frankly, its hard to imagine him driving an SUV or worshipping in an air conditioned church. If Jesus were here today, I suspect he’d live in an ecologically sustainable intentional community, and he’d advocate a sacred duty to the Earth with the same zeal which he advocated care for the poor and the downtrodden.

    5. Jesus believed in magic. Matthew 7:7-11.
    Only he called it prayer. “How many of you, if your child asks for a fish, will give them a stone?” “If you ask for it in my name, it will be done.” Church-goers often see magic as different from prayer, because prayer is timid and uncertain: “Not my will, but Thine.” By contrast, magic assumes that the Divine Spirit loves us and wants to bless us in accordance with our highest desires. When Jesus prayed, he prayed with confidence, not timidity. And he taught his followers to do the same. Nowadays, magic may have fancy window dressing (light this candle, recite this incantation, etc.) but it still comes down to the same thing: making a request for spiritual blessing. Jesus’ vision of prayer is like the Pagan vision of magic: it’s based on trust and love, unlike the prayer of church religion, which is based on fear, self-criticism and self-doubt of a sinner.

    6. Jesus could command the weather. Matthew 8:23-27.
    Shamans and Witches have a long-standing reputation for being able to conjure up storms and otherwise control the weather. Jesus, like any accomplished weather-witch, possessed a similar set of skills. He did this both actively (like when he calmed the storm out in the Sea of Galilee) and indirectly (as he was dying, because he caused darkness to reign in the middle of the day).

    7.Jesus had a profound relationship with the elements. Matthew 14:22-26, Luke 3:16, Luke 8:22-25, John 9:6.
    Jesus could walk on water; he could command the wind; he baptized with fire, and he used the soil of the Earth to make healing pastes. His spirituality was primal and grounded in the power of the elements.
    Modern-day Christianity is abstract, sterile, and anti-septic… It is a religion of books, words and mental concepts. But Jesus, like most modern-day Pagans, found vitality in the energies of the natural world.

    8. Like a Shaman, Jesus could channel spirits. Mark 9:2-8.
    One of the most profound stories in the Bible is that of the transfiguration, when Jesus conjured the spirits of Moses and Elijah. To his followers, this demonstrated Jesus’ authority as a spiritual leader. Later on, Jesus tells his followers that they will do greater works than his (John 14:12); ironically, though, Christianity does not permit its followers to invoke or conjure spirits. But invocation of benevolent spirits has been a part of Shamanic spirituality since the dawn of humankind, and modern-day Pagans, Witches and Shamans follow in this Shamanistic tradition when they Draw Down the Moon and the Sun, calling the spirit of Goddess and God into their Circles.

    9. Jesus was comfortable with sensuality and eroticism. Luke 7:36-50.
    One night, while dining at a respectable home, Jesus received a sensuous foot washing from a woman, who used oil and her hair to wipe the teacher’s feet. The host and the other guests were scandalized, but Jesus saw it as a perfectly lovely expression of affection and hospitality. In fact, when comments were made to Jesus, he responded by saying basically, “What’s your problem?” Alas, the religion that bears his name has evolved into an erotically-repressed spirituality, more like Jesus’ uptight host that Jesus himself. Paganism and Wicca, meanwhile, are spiritual systems that celebrate sensuality, sexuality, and the basic goodness of pleasure. Jesus, who got criticized for being a pleasure lover himself (Matthew 11:19), would no doubt be at home in Pagan celebration of the goodness of nature and the body.

    10. In his own way, Jesus practiced the Wiccan Crede, Matthew 5:21-22, Matthew 22:33, John 8:32.
    The core ethical principle in Wicca is the Rede: If you harm none, do what you will.” There is two components to this teaching: non-harm, and freedom. It’s a basic principle; you have spiritual freedom, but not to the point of harming yourself or others. Compare this to several of Jesus’ teachings. Matthew tells us that Jesus was so committed to the principle of non-harm that he regarded the intent to do violence as bad as violence itself. Meanwhile, John quotes Jesus as saying, “Truth sets you free.” But what is the truth that sets us free? The truth of love, trust, healing and divine grace; in other words, the universal truths that can be found in any spiritual path. The opposite of harm is love. “Harm none” is another way of saying “Love your neighbour as yourself.”

    11. In his own way, Jesus advocated Perfect Love and Perfect Trust. Matthew 5:48, Luke 6:32-36, Luke 12:22-34.
    John quotes Jesus as saying “Do not let your hearts be troubled” and “love one another as I have loved you.” Throughout the Gospels, Jesus says “Do not be afraid.” He suggests his disciples “become like little children”…. In other words, be trusting and open-hearted, be innocent. It’s such a simple message, and today True Paganism embodies the spirit of perfect love and trust; indeed, traditional covens require the phrase “Perfect Love and Perfect Trust” as a password to gain entry into circle. Christianity, meanwhile, preaches a message based on perfect anger and perfect fear: God is wrathful, and unless a person is fearfully obedient, he or she will be tortured for eternity or ultimately destroyed. That’s the opposite of what Jesus stood for. Love and trust leads to healing and liberation, whereas fear of judgment leads to depression and spiritual passivity.

    12. His enemies accused Jesus of being under the influence of demons. John 8:48, John 10:20.
    It’s an old tactic. When the people who have religious power want to dismiss their critics, they accuse the critics of being demonically possessed. That’s what the Pharisees said about Jesus, and nowadays that’s what the religious right says about New Age, Paganism, Shamanism and Wicca. Jesus was someone who loved the average person on the street, but had little patience for religious bigotry and self-righteousness. No doubt Jesus would feel he has more in common with the New Agers, Pagans and Wiccans than with the fundamentalists who attack them.

    13. Jesus was killed, unfairly, for his “blasphemy.” Mark 14:63-64.
    Thankfully, Wiccans nowadays don’t get burned at the stake. But tens of thousands of people … mostly women ….did get killed in Europe for the “crime” of Witchcraft. Even if these people weren’t Witches, the fact remains: they were brutally murdered for religious reasons. Well … so was Jesus. Modern day Pagans and Wiccans look to the victims of the Witch burnings as heroes of the Goddess faith, just like Christians see in Jesus their own spiritual hero. Jesus, meanwhile, was the kind of man who would rather side against the killers and the executioners. Given the fact that, throughout history, far more Christians have killed Witches than vice versa, it’s easy to see Jesus embracing the Goddess, working to heal her children, and calling those who bear his name to repent of their violence.

    In recent months Carl McColman has become a hero to me, in his honest and open search of the divine through his blog and his many books. His quest started out as a neo-pagan and his path lead him to Christian mysticism.
    His books include:
    Spirituality: Where Body and Soul Encounter the Sacred
    The Aspiring Mystic: Practical Steps for Spiritual Seekers
    Embracing Jesus and the Goddess : A Radical Call for Spiritual Sanity

  2. Thanks for your kind words. Incidentally, this piece that you quoted was originally written as a promotional piece to supporrt my book Embracing Jesus and the Goddess. I had set up a website at http://www.jcwitch.com where this article lived. The book is now out of print and the website long gone, but thanks to the Internet, this article keeps on rolling! Thanks for keeping it alive (and for acknowledging me as the author).

    Carl McColman
    The Website of Unknowing

  3. Hello FEOTU – thank you for your participation in this investigation, including on recent postings, and specifically for directing us to Carl’s piece.

  4. Hi Carl
    For some reason, and this is the first time it has happened, I had to moderate your comment – weird!

    I am pleased that you have traversed much of the ground covered in the post in your essay that is always encouraging. It gives opportunity for strengthening our search for what is true.

    One the whole I thought your points were radical, but fair. So I will comment mainly on those I thought we might differ, albeit slightly:

    2. Jesus was a psychic healer,
    I suppose he was. But I am still trying to acustomise myself with this association of words. “Psychic” carries a lot of baggage for those with an evangelical background!

    3. Jesus acknowledged the divinity within each person
    Agreed – Jesus did state, “The Kingdom of God is within you.” But at the same time, he pointed out their fallenness/sin, and the need for transformation. Righteousness is not an automatic fact based in awareness alone, it also takes cognisance of need for G-d, and is an act of will. I think a certain recognition of the work of the cross is a key part of it.

    I believe in universal salvation, but not in “cheap universalism”, whereby we simply say, “Oh, cool, the divine is in us, sorted.” I’m not saying you think that, but it is a commonly held postmodern belief.

    5. Jesus believed in magic
    I’d rather say that he believed in the magical power of G-d. Magic has a dark, evil side – the arts of the dark mages, for example, but any involvement in ego driven power quests, as well. So, once again, I’m provisional on Jesus and magic.

    9. Jesus was comfortable with sensuality and eroticism
    I agree, but a full picture also brings in commitment and intimacy as important parts of the divine erotic. I’ve experimented with the idea of “The gospel as erotic narrative”, and still seeing how it floats; it will need explanation for almost everyone.

    10. In his own way, Jesus practiced the Wiccan Crede
    Generally, there are resonances with Paul’s statement “everything is permissible, but not everything is beneficial”. However, the problem I have with the Rede (“Harm none, and do as you will”) is – what defines “harm”? … It’s open to abuse. Also to consider is Jesus’ attitude “Not my will, but yours”, which would challenge the Rede head on.

    Carl, I hope to continue this conversation, and catch up on your writings. I have a host of questions for you…

  5. PS. mysticdrum is me – Gavin Marshall. Busy setting up a wordpress account and still learning how it works 😉

  6. Gavin
    UR is the minority view, based on the christian scriptures, that the entire cosmos will be redeemed. In essence it refutes the doctrines of Endless Punative Separation (aka hell), and Annihilation (all evil plus all evildoers will be destroyed).

    I have gone into detail in a number of posts:
    for an introduction see https://soundandsilence.wordpress.com/2007/02/21/universal-restoration/

    and for a list of all my posts referring to UR, see
    https://soundandsilence.wordpress.com/category/universal-restoration/

  7. Thanks Nic. The reason I asked is that ‘salvation’ from a shamanistic point of view (as far as I understand it) isn’t so much dealing with life after death – it’s more about wholeness now. Moving from duality, light and dark, good and evil etc., to a more unified approach to life and living. A major part of this is embracing death as a part of life. The concept of the lower and upper ‘realms’ is also different in that the christian myth sees the lower realms as being a place of punishment, whereas the lower realms from a (South American)shamanic point of view are part of the reality of living, planes of consciousness with which we need to work. (have a look at http://www.jungandshamanism.citymaker.com/page/page/3947975.htm )

  8. Hi Nic,

    Once again, great post.

    I guess the challenge for us relates to how to be urbanised and shamanic, how to be part of an established postmodernising religion/spirituality on one hand while becoming primal, integrating life with earth and spirit.

    Are you planning another post on shamanism for us today?

  9. OK. Staggering alongside this erudite discourse, distracted, interested and somewhat brain-dead, at risk of re-treading ground already trodden. My journey is now largely driven by attempts to make sense of my experience of life and to cooperate with my process of transformation (growth); different to a former drive to adhere to a “way” handed out by those claim to know. One of the fundamental roles of a shaman is to mediate in the spirit world on one’s behalf. Having dealt very intensely and personally with “stuff” that fits the model of karma (soul history that impacts on current incarnated life) I came across the notion of the shaman taking on the karma for someone and “clearing” it. This is surely, very fundamentally what Jesus claimed his primary role on the cross to be – to bear our sins; to remove them; to clear our karma. This alone, for me, places Jesus as a shaman of the highest order.

    Further to this the shaman is defined as one who has the unique ability to go to “the other side” (there is evidence of physiological death state) and bring themselves back. “The other side”, some refer to as the underworld. Jesus is said to have died and risen; descended into hell, the underworld and returned.

    For me this does not undermine The Christ but reinforces the understanding that the Christian institution does not have exclusive rights to the truth and that there are common threads underlying apparently irreconcilable embodiments of spirituality.

    And to what end is all this discourse if it does not hold in it the potential to change the way I get out of bed in the morning, the way I kiss my children, pat the dogs and fill my day. Watch this space…

  10. Dear Nic,

    I am a Flemish Catholic with lots of interst in other religious traditions.
    I am glad I discovered your blog some day ago.
    I have a lot to say on all this, can you send me a private message please?
    I didn’t find your email address.

    PAX,
    Fred

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